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marco rubio who has been a champion in the gang of eight. he's home talking on conservative radio shows and in short talking to his base. when you're talking to your base you're campaigning. when you're in washington, hopefully you're governing. that's what we've seen rubio and the rest they have been governing. i think we'll see common sense prevail and real governing. i don't think that the provision, the equality provision for lgbt that senator leahy and by the way susan collins supports bipartisan senator collins from maine bipartisan support will be killed in committee. the hope is that it would be offered on the floor rather than in committee. i don't think we'll see it killed in committee. i think democrats republicans even conservative republicans are going to have to understand, and have to realize that the world is changing. we saw it this week in the professional basketball, the momentum for lgbt rights, which by the way is a civil rights like every other civil rights we've been through in this country is part of the future. and i
marco rubio who has been a champion in the gang of eight. he's home talking on conservative radio shows and in short talking to his base. when you're talking to your base you're campaigning. when you're in washington, hopefully you're governing. that's what we've seen rubio and the rest they have been governing. i think we'll see common sense prevail and real governing. i don't think that the provision, the equality provision for lgbt that senator leahy and by the way susan collins supports...
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one guy who is not going to be there is florida's marco rubio. the national review celebrating rubio with the yes, he can, cover. that was early in president obama's first term. now rubio is on the magazine's cover, again. this time not so flattering. there he is in the middle with the headline, rubio's folly. mark murray is here now with this morning's first read. mark, nice to visit with you. >> morning. >> give a us a sense of the challenges that marco rubio face. times have clearly changed in terms of the position and the standing. >> there's two dynamics that play this immigration debate. the one is that all of a sudden marco rubio is joining on to comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform. conservatives don't like that. people see that as helping the president and the united states, but rubio, paul ryan, john boehner all on the camp of recognizing the party needs to do something when it comes to latino voters. they lost by 70% in the election. if marco rubio is able to get this done, despite the flack he is getting from some conservatives
one guy who is not going to be there is florida's marco rubio. the national review celebrating rubio with the yes, he can, cover. that was early in president obama's first term. now rubio is on the magazine's cover, again. this time not so flattering. there he is in the middle with the headline, rubio's folly. mark murray is here now with this morning's first read. mark, nice to visit with you. >> morning. >> give a us a sense of the challenges that marco rubio face. times have...
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. >>> after the break, tea party senator marco rubio is now at odds with the tea party. how about that? we'll discuss the new infighting over immigration. that's next. new car! hey! [squeals] ♪ [ewh!] [baby crying] the great thing about a subaru is you don't have to put up with that new car smell for long. introducing the versatile, all-new subaru forester. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. a confident retirement. those dreams have taken a beating lately. but no way we're going to let them die. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help keep your dreams alive like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. and that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪ more... step! [ mom ] my little girl...she loves to help out on big jobs. good thing there's bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller powerful sheet that acts like a big sheet. look! one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. ♪ i got it! [ mom ]
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marco rubio was a protege of jim demibt. is taking a hard line against marco rubio, who has been very forceful about his support for the immigration compromises. >> the big difference between the gun debate and the immigration debate is this is actually a debate that more republicans want to have. they need to get on the right side of immigration, in way they did not need to get on the right side of the gun issue. marco rubio is basically the future of the party where jim demint was the guy from the past. i mean he obviously has a role at the heritage. i think that the folks in washington who understand where the party needs to go, want to be on the train with marco rubio. >> i'm just, so jim demint comes out with the whole thing which is putting a price tag he says to what he's calling amnesty to what they're doing. >> and the reason they're putting it out there. we've not had time to go through it. but the economic data on this is -- >> they come up with trillions of dollars. what are you seeing? the initial trashing of th
marco rubio was a protege of jim demibt. is taking a hard line against marco rubio, who has been very forceful about his support for the immigration compromises. >> the big difference between the gun debate and the immigration debate is this is actually a debate that more republicans want to have. they need to get on the right side of immigration, in way they did not need to get on the right side of the gun issue. marco rubio is basically the future of the party where jim demint was the...
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you see ads that say support marco rubio. support conservative immigration reform. why a distrust of government on this issue? >> the 2007 immigration reform mess. they tried to shove it down our throats and the obama administration and house republicans have a rough relationship. they don't trust the government right now with the current administration to enforce the rules should some comprehensive package pass. >> the thing is the obama administration overenforced the rules. it's a net-net when it comes to deportation. they have gone in and done enforcement mechanism but haven't provided relief. >> lastly real quick both of you. do you think it happens? >> i think something happens in the senate. i think in the house it's still an open question. they want something to come out of the house. the question is it the gang of eight's plan? >> they need something for 2014 election or they are hanging their shots. >> what does it look like is the million dollar question. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >>> still to come on the "the daily rundown", ano
you see ads that say support marco rubio. support conservative immigration reform. why a distrust of government on this issue? >> the 2007 immigration reform mess. they tried to shove it down our throats and the obama administration and house republicans have a rough relationship. they don't trust the government right now with the current administration to enforce the rules should some comprehensive package pass. >> the thing is the obama administration overenforced the rules. it's...
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>> i am with marco rubio. i have unique perspective as well. i am the first generation american and my parents came here from columbia. i learned spanish before i learned english and at heart having a discussion on this and with marco rubio on this. >> you have said on the issue of woerks you're pro-life but do you believe roe is settled law? does that mean you would cast pro-choice votes in the u.s. senate? is that what you're trying to tell folks in massachusetts. >> i am catholic. it is my faith. i was raised catholic. i am not going to change the law. it has been said a lot. just scalia has come out now and 40 years he. >> one of the things you thoughted is you're not a political person. last year you were part of a group up criss cat l president obama on the issue of the osama bin laden raid and the eventual killing of osama bin laden. that's a very port san act to have done when you did it, august of election year. how do you square that with the persona? >> i waive the president full credit for making the call to send that unit in and th
>> i am with marco rubio. i have unique perspective as well. i am the first generation american and my parents came here from columbia. i learned spanish before i learned english and at heart having a discussion on this and with marco rubio on this. >> you have said on the issue of woerks you're pro-life but do you believe roe is settled law? does that mean you would cast pro-choice votes in the u.s. senate? is that what you're trying to tell folks in massachusetts. >> i am...
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here is marco rubio on the mike gallagher radio show. >> the bill probably can't pass the house, because people are very suspicious about the willingness of the government to enforce the laws given our experience with immigration in the past. >> michael: knowing that you have marco rubio saying things like that, how can you get this past? >> we go one by one by one. you have individual people telling their stories as they did today on may day. there is a group that has a great documentary on the dreamers and the story of those that have come here and made a life for themselves. you do it by making sure the economic benefits of immigration are very strong, and we're not going to let phobia or boston being an excuse. >> michael: it's almost as if they seize upon things that give them pause when they wanted to have a reason to have pause in the first place. how do you fight that? >> ak wording to the pew study that came out today, 58% of americans believe that boston should not effect the immigration reform. so -- also comprehensive immigration reform always involved fixing the legal struct
here is marco rubio on the mike gallagher radio show. >> the bill probably can't pass the house, because people are very suspicious about the willingness of the government to enforce the laws given our experience with immigration in the past. >> michael: knowing that you have marco rubio saying things like that, how can you get this past? >> we go one by one by one. you have individual people telling their stories as they did today on may day. there is a group that has a great...
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poor marco rubio. the sooner he realizes this and the rest of the republican party realizes this, the better. sean hannity is no there to help the republicans. rush limbaugh is not there to help the republicans. they would prefer to have a democratic president because it's better for business and they can keep railing against it. these guys have to realize they're causing a great deal of harm to the republican brand. zpl thank you for joining thus friday afternoon. stay with us. much more ahead. >> folks, i've always been a huge fan of superman, an incredibly handsome, glasses wearing reporter who night after night uses his superpowers to save america. for seeing your business in a whole new way. for seeing what cash is coming in and going out... so you can understand every angle of your cash flow- last week, this month, and even next year. for seeing your business's cash flow like never before, introducing cash flow insight powered by pnc cfo. a suite of online tools that lets you turn insight into ac
poor marco rubio. the sooner he realizes this and the rest of the republican party realizes this, the better. sean hannity is no there to help the republicans. rush limbaugh is not there to help the republicans. they would prefer to have a democratic president because it's better for business and they can keep railing against it. these guys have to realize they're causing a great deal of harm to the republican brand. zpl thank you for joining thus friday afternoon. stay with us. much more...
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unlike with guns, this is an issue where senator marco rubio want a deal. >> we can't leave in place behawe now it is terrible for the country. >> when asked about allowing illegal immigrants to be u.s. citizens if they meet requirements like learning english and paying back taxes. 70 percent of the voters favor that only 21 percent oppose. there are plenty concern about the boston tersor. eye new poll found if the bombings change would their opinion on a path of citizenship for illegal immigrants 23 percent said yes . 70 percent said no . that could increase the likely of terror, sevenpercent said decreasing the likelihood and 66 percent said no difference. >> here in mexico, the president needs to be serious on board security. >> that is a major confession. what we expect is to modernize our immigration citizen and have the tracking system and five and half billion in border security in addition to what is spent. >> rubio is a key architect for the gang of 8. >> i am optmistic we are going to get comprehensive immigration reform passed. >> he appeared to not push harder on the guns
unlike with guns, this is an issue where senator marco rubio want a deal. >> we can't leave in place behawe now it is terrible for the country. >> when asked about allowing illegal immigrants to be u.s. citizens if they meet requirements like learning english and paying back taxes. 70 percent of the voters favor that only 21 percent oppose. there are plenty concern about the boston tersor. eye new poll found if the bombings change would their opinion on a path of citizenship for...
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. >>> marco rubio turns on the tea partiers that created him. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ♪ [ agent smith ] ge software connects patients to nurses to the right machines while dramatically reducing waiting time. [ telephone ringing ] now a waiting room is just a room. [ static warbles ] >>> up next, republican versus republican. marco rubio strikes back at the former senator that made him the party darling he is today. the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪ would absolutely n
. >>> marco rubio turns on the tea partiers that created him. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ♪ [ agent smith ] ge software connects patients to nurses to the right machines while...
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in one side, you've got the -- i won't say moderates because it's hard to characterize marco rubio as a moderate, but the pro immigration reform advocates in the senate and around washington, d.c., including people like grover norquist, doug holtz-eakin, and on the other side outside groups that sort of make their living by being more conservative than the republican establishment -- the heritage foundation, the club for growth, freedom works, organizations like that that have made their living over the last couple years by opposing republican leadership. how will the members of the house republican conference specifically view that tug and pull? are they going to go with the members of the u.s. senate, especially if the senate gets some kind of super majority to pass this bill? or are they going to go with the outside groups who might give them a real problem in a primary? it's those house republicans i'm looking most towards to see how this bill is going to do in the next couple weeks. >> all right. steve israel, democrat from new york and chair of the democratic congressional campa
in one side, you've got the -- i won't say moderates because it's hard to characterize marco rubio as a moderate, but the pro immigration reform advocates in the senate and around washington, d.c., including people like grover norquist, doug holtz-eakin, and on the other side outside groups that sort of make their living by being more conservative than the republican establishment -- the heritage foundation, the club for growth, freedom works, organizations like that that have made their living...
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you can see, the rand paul fans and the marco rubio fans. but i have to say those guys in my view at least a pretty impressive or more impressive than the candidates republicans are putting forward lately. and again i think mitt romney is probably a wonderful man and all that. >> [inaudible] >> i just can't believe it. i don't want to pick on the guy, but i remember him well. i opened the paper and i see he's the senate president or whatever. i was shocked. >> thank you very much for your comments but i want to start by saying first of all i agree with you about the issue of this current political paradigm. i do believe it is doomed. but i'm still optimistic. i believe that what, that the phoenix will be able to arrive from these ashes. i was in washington, d.c. last month were ann coulter in front of 1400 students that are all very enthusiastic about free market liberty. i think the current people in power in the current paradigm are just not, they are not grasping the honest enthusiasm that a great number of people in my generation have fo
you can see, the rand paul fans and the marco rubio fans. but i have to say those guys in my view at least a pretty impressive or more impressive than the candidates republicans are putting forward lately. and again i think mitt romney is probably a wonderful man and all that. >> [inaudible] >> i just can't believe it. i don't want to pick on the guy, but i remember him well. i opened the paper and i see he's the senate president or whatever. i was shocked. >> thank you very...
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>> it is important to republicans, why you see marco rubio talking about it as much as he does. border security is a national priority but a perennial priority and we won't declare it mission accomplished, that we're done at the border. we need the technology and resources, of course. at the same time, we have to get realistic about the fact we have 11 million people here without papers. what's good about the legislation, it does directly deal with them and puts forward a process for them to come forward, work legally and pay taxes and over time, acquire citizenship. as far as i'm concerned, both of those goals should and must be met. i think the bill is getting us in that direction. >> one of the unintended consequences of previous efforts to increase security at the border has actually been a perverse incentive for people to immigrate illegally. previously there were people who were able to pass back and forth fairly routinely and come back to work and then to their families. once that border fence is up, that poses more risk. why aren't we putting more resources to security.
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marco rubio is uniting the conservative movement around him. i think they thought it was going to be 2007 all over again, heritage comes out with their report and everybody jumps on the heritage bandwagon. this isn't the left versus the right. this is heritage versus the world. i think rubio is going to come out on toop. it's torrent to notice the number that is this report are based on, they just don't add up. when you have both bad politics and bad math, you get a bad outcome for jim demint. >> rubio keeps saying during the 13 years, it would take for an illegal immigrant to wind his or her way through the process, go and eventually get u.s. citizenship, during those 13 years, he says they would not be eligible for any of these federal benefits. >> exactly. they're not eligible for means-based benefits. and it also does not take into account job growth or how it affects the rest of the economy and the benefits that it brings in. and most conservatives agree that when you are looking at the cost and benefits of a bill, you've got to look at bo
marco rubio is uniting the conservative movement around him. i think they thought it was going to be 2007 all over again, heritage comes out with their report and everybody jumps on the heritage bandwagon. this isn't the left versus the right. this is heritage versus the world. i think rubio is going to come out on toop. it's torrent to notice the number that is this report are based on, they just don't add up. when you have both bad politics and bad math, you get a bad outcome for jim demint....
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rubio and the republican side and chuck schumer? >> the ace in the hole is if the economy strengthens, as well. his approval rating has been around 50% the length of his presidency. as kim suggests, if he is hanging back and he is going to capture 17 seats in the house he is going to have be a lot more popular than he is right now. he needs some wins. >> paul: the problem with second term presidents have is flexibility. president obama has never really wanted to have an aggressive foreign policy agenda. he doesn't have that kind of flexibility that you saw with reagan, for example, or with bill clinton. >> no, it is as you say largely self-imposed. i think there were several people in the run-up to the election looked at what he did in troops in afghanistan and some of the other decisions and stuff that this was simply keeping things calm in the run-up to the election. what we've seen, after the election his decisions on syria as you said, this is not a president who wants to have a robust or big or bold foreign policy. so that is n
rubio and the republican side and chuck schumer? >> the ace in the hole is if the economy strengthens, as well. his approval rating has been around 50% the length of his presidency. as kim suggests, if he is hanging back and he is going to capture 17 seats in the house he is going to have be a lot more popular than he is right now. he needs some wins. >> paul: the problem with second term presidents have is flexibility. president obama has never really wanted to have an aggressive...
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>> i'm glad that marco rubio was part of this dialogue and this negotiation. i can tell you at the end of the day that there were parts of it he didn't care for. parts of it i didn't care for. we reached a compromise, which is the nature of politics if it is going to be successful. i'm sure senator rubio feels, as i do, we have the basics here. are there elements where we might see improvement? of course. but we have to stand by the basic agreement. i have friends of mine, incidentally who look from the viewpoint of democrats and the left and say there are things we'd like to see changed in it, too but we have to stick to the standard of what we have established and agreed to the last three months. >> let me ask you about something that is going to come up. that is a push by the lgbt community, you need once a partner is brought in to the u.s., but the right needs to be expanded to same-sex couples. we are told senator leahy will probably bring it up as an amendment to the bill in committee. that is going to happen? are you going to support it? >> well, i'm a
>> i'm glad that marco rubio was part of this dialogue and this negotiation. i can tell you at the end of the day that there were parts of it he didn't care for. parts of it i didn't care for. we reached a compromise, which is the nature of politics if it is going to be successful. i'm sure senator rubio feels, as i do, we have the basics here. are there elements where we might see improvement? of course. but we have to stand by the basic agreement. i have friends of mine, incidentally...
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>> i'm glad that marco rubio was part of this dialogue and this negotiation. i can sell you at the end of the day that there were parts of it he didn't care for, parts of it i didn't care for. we reached a compromise, which is the nature of politics, if it's going to be successful. i'm sure that senator rubio feels as i do, we have the basics here. are there elements where we might need some improvement? of course. but we've got to really stand by the basic agreement. i have friends of mine, incidentally, who look at it from the viewpoint of democrats and from the left and say, there are things we'd like to see changed in it too, but we've got to basically stick to the standard of what we've established, what we've agreed to over the last three months. >> let me ask you about something that is going to come up, and that is a push by the lgbt community, lesbian and gay community, saying you need in the idea of bringing partners over, once the partner is in the u.s. or is an american citizen, that that right needs to be expanded to same-sex couples. we're told t
>> i'm glad that marco rubio was part of this dialogue and this negotiation. i can sell you at the end of the day that there were parts of it he didn't care for, parts of it i didn't care for. we reached a compromise, which is the nature of politics, if it's going to be successful. i'm sure that senator rubio feels as i do, we have the basics here. are there elements where we might need some improvement? of course. but we've got to really stand by the basic agreement. i have friends of...
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marco rubio will have difficulty during the primaries. another says -- rand paul all the way. -- thepshire higher hampshire's next. caller: hi. how are you? host: fine. go ahead. caller: he mentioned travis at the end of his speech. i'm no expert, but it seems someone who left his kids to go to texas. kind of a gambler. an opportunist. i'm not sure 100% right. if that is true, that is a -- and-- not a very good was talking about the letter from alamo. host: he read at the end of his speech. caller: that was a very good example for him to use. -- i thinkeaking to he underestimated the intelligence of his audience basically. i see republicans do this a lot. areink the american people smarter than this. they have done their homework. do not get the republicans. every time i turn on the tv, which i do not do that often, i feel like they are lying at me. host: thank you for tuning in this evening. this is video from senator ted cruz. he spoke today at the annual -- nra.g of the and ra we will show some of the speeches tomorrow. when lapierre a
marco rubio will have difficulty during the primaries. another says -- rand paul all the way. -- thepshire higher hampshire's next. caller: hi. how are you? host: fine. go ahead. caller: he mentioned travis at the end of his speech. i'm no expert, but it seems someone who left his kids to go to texas. kind of a gambler. an opportunist. i'm not sure 100% right. if that is true, that is a -- and-- not a very good was talking about the letter from alamo. host: he read at the end of his speech....
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rubio that without significant changes to border security the immigration bill will face a tough climb in congress. >> frankly, we put enormous resources into border security. don't take my word for it. you had folks like senator mccain and senator graham come down to the border and see the progress that's been made. what i'm not going to do is go along with something we're looking for an excuse not to do it it as opposed to to a way to do it. >> as the cover of "the national review" senator rubio is walking a tight rope with members of his own party. but in an op-ed illegal immigrants is too generous or lenient, congress will have a chance to make it tougher yet still realistic. defeating it without offering an alternative cannot be the conservative position on immigration reform. that would leave the issue in the hands of the president. >>> gun violence also followed the president across international lines. during that news conference yesterday, president obama actually jumped in on a question directed to his mexican counterpart to reenforce his objective to getting something done o
rubio that without significant changes to border security the immigration bill will face a tough climb in congress. >> frankly, we put enormous resources into border security. don't take my word for it. you had folks like senator mccain and senator graham come down to the border and see the progress that's been made. what i'm not going to do is go along with something we're looking for an excuse not to do it it as opposed to to a way to do it. >> as the cover of "the national...
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the real thing, if marco rubio has really been damaged pushing for immigration reform when your party needs latin no voters, that's a certainly sign for 2016. >> the thing going on with pat toomey and marco rubio, they all found that issue to tack to the middle. ted cruz hasn't found that issue, does he want to or follow in the footsteps of jim demint and end up at the heritage foundation. >> maybe want to be the next santorum, follow to the right but own it. >> what rick santorum did was move to the center and lost and then tacked far to the right. >> hillary clinton, i'm not her speechwriter, she will go after the worst in your party. she won't debate the guy running against her, she'll debate the worst elements in your party. >> we have gender gap problem. we have an hispanic problem. we have to have somebody that expands the base. >> what would you say the woman not your age, my age, said it's about time to have a woman president. how do you fight that argument if she's obviously qualified? >> it's a tough one. you have to find those women -- there will be a woman who will vote pu
the real thing, if marco rubio has really been damaged pushing for immigration reform when your party needs latin no voters, that's a certainly sign for 2016. >> the thing going on with pat toomey and marco rubio, they all found that issue to tack to the middle. ted cruz hasn't found that issue, does he want to or follow in the footsteps of jim demint and end up at the heritage foundation. >> maybe want to be the next santorum, follow to the right but own it. >> what rick...
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senator marco rubio discussed how voters are impacting the future bill writing last week, intense public scrutiny has helped identify shortcomings and unintended consequences that need to be addressed. >>> president obama spoke about the challenges ahead. >> when i say i'm optimistic, i didn't say it was going to be easy. we always knew it was going to be a challenging task. i do think there will be a number of ups and downs and near death experiences as this travel, but when you look at where the american people are, where not just democrats and independents but also republicans and the public are around the need for sensible immigration reform, then i think we can get this done. >>> but not everyone is quite as optimistic. former senator jim demint talked about passing the laws. he was talking about amnesty for undocumented workers. >> the bill that is being presented is unfair for those who came here legally. it will cost americans trillions of dollars. it will make our you be lawful immigration system worse. if you consider all the factors related to the amnesty, believe me, this is
senator marco rubio discussed how voters are impacting the future bill writing last week, intense public scrutiny has helped identify shortcomings and unintended consequences that need to be addressed. >>> president obama spoke about the challenges ahead. >> when i say i'm optimistic, i didn't say it was going to be easy. we always knew it was going to be a challenging task. i do think there will be a number of ups and downs and near death experiences as this travel, but when you...
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florida senator marco rubio is taking criticism from both sides over immigration reform. he's one of the leading forces behind the gang of eight immigration bill. he joins us. nice to see you, senator. >> nice to see you. >> i feel you must be doing something right in washington. you got the left a little bit mad at you, you have the right a little mad at you, you have the president saying he agrees with some of what you do, but not all. i guess you can define this as bipartisan ship? >> look, we have a serious problem. even if we didn't have a single illegal immigrant in the united states, we would still have to do immigration reform because our immigration system doesn't work. all i'm trying to do is fix the problem. that's what we are trying to get at here. >> it's not perfect for everybody. everybody has to give a little. what did you give on? what is something you wanted that is not in this bill? >> well, let's begin by saying this. no one has a right to be in this country illegally. fact we are dealing with the people who are here illegally now and creating a way fo
florida senator marco rubio is taking criticism from both sides over immigration reform. he's one of the leading forces behind the gang of eight immigration bill. he joins us. nice to see you, senator. >> nice to see you. >> i feel you must be doing something right in washington. you got the left a little bit mad at you, you have the right a little mad at you, you have the president saying he agrees with some of what you do, but not all. i guess you can define this as bipartisan...
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senator marco rubio really the face of this bipartisan immigration proposal coming out of the senate. but i think that it's stoked the flames, if you will, of a contentious debate. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. have a great day. >> you too. >>> from talking goats to racing squirrels, here's a look back at the week that was. >> reporter: what happened to spring? flash flooding, miles of mud and lots and lots of snow. but it it wasn't the storms that tripped up a weather man in houston. >> excuse me. here's the big picture. >> the president got raves for his term at comic in chief at the white house correspondents' dinner. >> need a burst of new energy, try some new things and my team and i talked about it. we were willing to try anything. so we borrowed one of michelle's tricks. >> reporter: but it was all business at the fbi with three new arrests in the boston bombings investigation. >>> jason collins, the coming out party of a lifetime. >> he came out as black and gay. even more shocking, he came out as a player for the washington wizards. >> reporter
senator marco rubio really the face of this bipartisan immigration proposal coming out of the senate. but i think that it's stoked the flames, if you will, of a contentious debate. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. have a great day. >> you too. >>> from talking goats to racing squirrels, here's a look back at the week that was. >> reporter: what happened to spring? flash flooding, miles of mud and lots and lots of snow. but it it...
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marco rubio said that could undermind it. on sunday and monday, the heritage foundation is going to talk about the costs. they're going to push back on methodology. but republicans say they're going to try to fix this by making the metrics tougher, border security tougher. they have to do things to reassure conservatives. >> republicans got their clocks cleaned because they can't win the hispanic vote. they're really worried that once this bill gets to the house, they cannot pass it. you have jo have jack kingston in the capaps this morning. it's going to be a tougher sell than people think. >> they don't get points for trying. they need to deliver on this one. >> we'll see what comes next here. appreciate it so much. and still ahead, coming up on "morning joe," we're going to have a lot more information on all of the topics coming up. >>> also, i want to get your tweets. e-mails. texts. send them to us. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it'
marco rubio said that could undermind it. on sunday and monday, the heritage foundation is going to talk about the costs. they're going to push back on methodology. but republicans say they're going to try to fix this by making the metrics tougher, border security tougher. they have to do things to reassure conservatives. >> republicans got their clocks cleaned because they can't win the hispanic vote. they're really worried that once this bill gets to the house, they cannot pass it. you...
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i know he knows that marco rubio is an indispensable man and not barack obama. mexico is heavily dependent on the united states of america. we gave them a $60 billion trade surplus last year which is responsible for over 100% of their gdp growth. we buy something like 20 to 25% of all they produce. we buy their oil. so there's a real close relationship here, and barack obama doesn't have to be too reticent in pushing the united states interest when it comes to the cartels and when it comes to the border. >> eleanor. >> i wouldn't call a great relationship where we export all this goods to them, them being dependent on us. i think this new mexican president comes in with a pretty strong hand. the growth in mexico is twice where it is in this country. they discovered some oil in mexico, and i think he's made a decision that he doesn't want to outsource the drug fighting to u.s. police and border guards, that he wants to take over that. it wasn't working under the previous president who had thousands of people who were killed so let's see if his new approach works.
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. >> james, one of the things you saw this week, even marco rubio, a big proponent of the bill, saying he doesn't think it can pass the house. >> let's go to the raw politics. let cato and the ceo fight it out. there are politics. this does divide the republican party. i was listening to rush limbaugh. >> i love that. >> we're democrats. we listen to everybody. he said, look -- this is what you hear from a political standpoint. you're going to bring all these people in. you're going to make them legal. you're going to help them do that. and they're not going to vote for you. and you have 4 million people that sit back every election because we're doing this. so, the limbaugh -- this is a lot of republicans' calculation, you're not going to get credit for this. the democrats are going to is get the credit. you're kboing to help a lot more democratic vote. i don't think i agree with that. but that's where the politics hit the ground. and there's a lot of opposition in the republican party. >> conservatives support immigration. and lawful immigration, if it's merit-based, is going to buil
. >> james, one of the things you saw this week, even marco rubio, a big proponent of the bill, saying he doesn't think it can pass the house. >> let's go to the raw politics. let cato and the ceo fight it out. there are politics. this does divide the republican party. i was listening to rush limbaugh. >> i love that. >> we're democrats. we listen to everybody. he said, look -- this is what you hear from a political standpoint. you're going to bring all these people in....
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what's marco rubio been saying this week? where's the stalling coming from? >> the biggest obstacle really is the tea party in the house. the latest obstacle that has been thrown up is lgbt rights. the country has gotten to a place now where it's not really acceptable to say that members of the lgbt community don't have the same rights as everybody else. but now here we are trying to do this immigration bill, kind of a holdover five users ayears ago where you're saying only straight couples are allowed to be reunited through immigration reform. you know, the other problem he has is that a lot of people are just furious with the status quo. he said that he lifted the shadow of deportation from the dreamers. that's only partially true. that shadow still hangs over all of the dreamers' parents. hundreds are getting deported every day and sitting in detention centers waiting to get deported. >> meanwhile, the president knew going in that immigration was going to be certainly on his agenda if re-elected. the other things that have popped up like gun reform and cer
what's marco rubio been saying this week? where's the stalling coming from? >> the biggest obstacle really is the tea party in the house. the latest obstacle that has been thrown up is lgbt rights. the country has gotten to a place now where it's not really acceptable to say that members of the lgbt community don't have the same rights as everybody else. but now here we are trying to do this immigration bill, kind of a holdover five users ayears ago where you're saying only straight...
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but the real thing, john, is that if you've got -- if marco rubio has been damaged by pushing for immigration reform while your party needs some latino voters, that's a terrible sign for 2016. >> the fascinating thing that's gone on with pat toomey and marco rubio is they have all found that issue to try to tap to the middle. ted cruz hasn't found that issue. the request he is, does he want to or does he want to follow in the foot steps of jim demint and end up at the heritage foundation. >> the next rick santorum, follow the campaign, stay to the right but own it. >> santorum tried to move to the center and lost his re-election and then tapped far to the right to try to get the nomination. >> here's the danger for your party. hillary clinton will go after the worst in why you are party. she won't debate the guy running against her. she'll debate the worst he wiels of your party. >> our problem with hillary clinton, is we have a gender gap problem, a hispanic problem. we need someone to expand the base. >> what about the woman my age who says it's about time we had a woman president? how do y
but the real thing, john, is that if you've got -- if marco rubio has been damaged by pushing for immigration reform while your party needs some latino voters, that's a terrible sign for 2016. >> the fascinating thing that's gone on with pat toomey and marco rubio is they have all found that issue to try to tap to the middle. ted cruz hasn't found that issue. the request he is, does he want to or does he want to follow in the foot steps of jim demint and end up at the heritage foundation....
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we'll speak with senator marco rubio. >>> and prince harry kicks off his u.s. visit today. we'll have a preview of that. that's the "cbs morning news" for this thursday. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com mallicoat. >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald >> is it friday yet? >> yes, but not close. >> it's thursday, getting close, may 9. i'm frank mallicoat. >> i'm michelle griego. time now is 4:30. you already have me thinking about friday. >> i thought he already had a friday. >> yesterday, right! [ laughter ] >> >> we can ignore him today. >> i feel a theme coming here. >> yes, you do. [ laughter ] >>> fog and low clouds around the bay area, moved onshore and into the valleys. temperatures generally in the 50s. we have a warming trend on the horizon. we'll talk about that coming up. >> okay. and let's go out live towards the golden gate bridge where you can see some flashing lights there in the corner. that is overnight roadwork. we have various lanes blocked while they do some overnight roadwork and lanes are blocked.
we'll speak with senator marco rubio. >>> and prince harry kicks off his u.s. visit today. we'll have a preview of that. that's the "cbs morning news" for this thursday. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com mallicoat. >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald >> is it friday yet? >> yes, but not close. >> it's thursday, getting close, may 9. i'm frank mallicoat. >> i'm michelle griego. time now is...
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add him to a list that likely includes marco rubio, rand paul, paul ryan and others and you know, with 3 1/2 years to go, it looks as if perhaps 2016, the campaign cycle, at least, is under way. >> it will be here before we know it. amie parnes and ed o'keefe. >> oh, it's here. >> next the announcement that set wall street off. dry mouth may start off as an irritant. it'll cause cavities, bad breath. patients will try and deal with it by drinking water. water will work for a few seconds but if you're not drinking it, it's going to get dry again. i recommend biotene. all the biotene products like the oral rinse...the sprays have enzymes in them. the whole formulation just works very well. it leaves the mouth feeling fresh. if i'm happy with the results and my patients are happy with the results, i don't need to look any farther. what that's great. it won't take long, will it? nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. alread
add him to a list that likely includes marco rubio, rand paul, paul ryan and others and you know, with 3 1/2 years to go, it looks as if perhaps 2016, the campaign cycle, at least, is under way. >> it will be here before we know it. amie parnes and ed o'keefe. >> oh, it's here. >> next the announcement that set wall street off. dry mouth may start off as an irritant. it'll cause cavities, bad breath. patients will try and deal with it by drinking water. water will work for a...
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even marco rubio himself said yes, we can work this stuff into immigration overall. would he think this leads to? >> well, i think it's going to lead to some type of immigration reform. every president since ronald reagan has said the same thing. we need to secure the border, including president obama. the same message since ronald reagan. i think to answer your question, what it will deal with is we are going to have to find a way to deal with what is here. we also have a billion tourists to go in and out of this country every single year, we are not doing a good job. neil: how many who are here don't like it here? e-mails, messages, the bottom line is that is another element here. because they rally to their friends and not to the folks that have killed and wounded. >> you have to be careful. they come with skills, we want people educations. >> what are were we looking at is the 11 million immigrants that are coming over the mexican border. our safety is number one. neil: to dave's point, are we building a fortress america? is it too late? >> i think we could go to
even marco rubio himself said yes, we can work this stuff into immigration overall. would he think this leads to? >> well, i think it's going to lead to some type of immigration reform. every president since ronald reagan has said the same thing. we need to secure the border, including president obama. the same message since ronald reagan. i think to answer your question, what it will deal with is we are going to have to find a way to deal with what is here. we also have a billion...
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trillion dollars and one of the leading republican senators pushing for immigration reform senator marco rubio came out today criticizing the study saying it doesn't take into account a lot of economic factors that will actually boost g.d.p. growth and actually lower the cost of the bill and moving on to the online sales tax bill which passed out of the senate yesterday that's going to head to the house where its prospects for passing right now are dim the house speaker of the house john boehner today said that it's not very high on the priority list to pass this bill and also there's still a lot of opposition in the house that doesn't quite exist in the senate for this bill for one there's a lot of anti-tax advocates and the americans for tax reform the grover norquist crowd is a lot more power in the house and they have in the senate and they're not too pleased with this bill either there's also democrats who aren't pleased with this bill. last night senator ron wyden democratic senator who voted against the bill spoke out saying it's going to put undue burden is on small businesses th
trillion dollars and one of the leading republican senators pushing for immigration reform senator marco rubio came out today criticizing the study saying it doesn't take into account a lot of economic factors that will actually boost g.d.p. growth and actually lower the cost of the bill and moving on to the online sales tax bill which passed out of the senate yesterday that's going to head to the house where its prospects for passing right now are dim the house speaker of the house john...
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the gop senator marco rubio saying this could kill the bill and senator jeff flake calling it a deal breaker for most republicans. will this stay on to this bill? or will it get voted down in the main thrust of what we now see as the immigration reform bill goes through? >> well, two-part answer, richard. i hope it does not get voted down. i can't imagine someone not being able to have their partner in the same country as them. so i do hope it does pass. but, politically speaking, though, i can see how unfortunately this amendment may go down in twos. if, in fact, many republicans out there, not just marco rubio, but also lindsey graham and other folks and say something this is not something we can support, i can, unfortunately, see this amendment getting voted down for the sake of the broader bill, the broader immigration bill moving forward. remember, this is about 11 million undocumented workers, we're long overdue. >> there are many amendments to be considered in the process. and there is more than plan "a," "b," "c" and "d." jimmy, here's senator leahy on "meet the press," take
the gop senator marco rubio saying this could kill the bill and senator jeff flake calling it a deal breaker for most republicans. will this stay on to this bill? or will it get voted down in the main thrust of what we now see as the immigration reform bill goes through? >> well, two-part answer, richard. i hope it does not get voted down. i can't imagine someone not being able to have their partner in the same country as them. so i do hope it does pass. but, politically speaking, though,...
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. >> targeting conservative there is a ad featuring marco rubio starting to air until the senate mark up encouraging viewer to call congress and end defactor amnesty. there is number of exceptions and loop holes in the legislation. >> there are concerns about the waivers in the bill. some waivers some might be justified. they are not created equal. >> conservative critics are trying to kill it by labeling it. >> it is a big breathe taking leap in amnesty. it would have made the public so vulnerable. >> but the gang much 8 members said critics should drop the bumper sticker words and focus on reality. >> had is not a path to amnesty. senator mccain said the path is a long one, people have to pay a fine. they have to learn english and work and contribute to society. >> top priority for conservatives is enforcement and rubio acknowledged the challenge. >> people don't believe that the obama administration or federal government will enforce the law. we have to build in to this bill mechanisms to make sure the law is not forced. >> there is a push to include gay couples in the reform. rubi
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. ♪ lou: for weeks now gang of eight members senator marco rubio has been arguing that the gain of eight immigration reform plan would not allow illegal immigrants access to welfare. >> don't qualify for any federal benefit. this is an important point. no food stamps, welfare, obamacare. after prove that they are gainfully employed. they will undergo a background check to muster paying taxes. it will not qualify for federal benefits. lou: it kind of makes you wonder how we became the face of the gang of a plan. senator jeff sessions may have an answer. today announcin he identified a number of loopholes in the legislation that would allow illegal immigrants access to federal benefits as early as five years after the law is passed and in some cases much sooner than that. not only that, he says illegal immigrants would be get -- granted immediate access to state and local welfare benefits . a far cry from what is being, if you will, represented by the gang of eight. the obama administration choosing another great energy loser to get billions of dollars. i mean, you cannot make this stuff u
. ♪ lou: for weeks now gang of eight members senator marco rubio has been arguing that the gain of eight immigration reform plan would not allow illegal immigrants access to welfare. >> don't qualify for any federal benefit. this is an important point. no food stamps, welfare, obamacare. after prove that they are gainfully employed. they will undergo a background check to muster paying taxes. it will not qualify for federal benefits. lou: it kind of makes you wonder how we became the...
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i think this is going to be a really heavy lift for marco rubio who may find himself isolated by the end of the day. >> yeah, i think he knows what a heavy lift it is and i think he feels he has cover on this issue that other politicians wouldn't because of his personal background but i totally agree with you, joe. i think the press, because we know the republican elite, by and large, is in favor of comprehensive immigration reform were underestimating how volatile this issue is. >> jon, you remember back, obviously, in '05, '06, i guess '07, busch pushing for immigration. you had the republican president of the united states. you had the "the wall street journal," the most powerful conservative media outlet there is, they are both pushing for aggressively for immigration reform and the conservative base rose up and stopped it. i don't see why that doesn't happen again this time. >> the difference now, of course, is republicans have gotten shellacked in a presidential election they thought they should have won given the larger political conditions. the question is does that lessen wh
i think this is going to be a really heavy lift for marco rubio who may find himself isolated by the end of the day. >> yeah, i think he knows what a heavy lift it is and i think he feels he has cover on this issue that other politicians wouldn't because of his personal background but i totally agree with you, joe. i think the press, because we know the republican elite, by and large, is in favor of comprehensive immigration reform were underestimating how volatile this issue is. >>...
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this could help marco rubio if he decides to run. >>> president obama gave the speech over the weekend. >> you have been tested and tempered by events that your parents and i never imagined we would see when we sat where you sit. and yet despite all of this or perhaps because of it yours has become a generation possessed with the most of american ideas. the people who love their country can change it for the better. >> and poor ruth ginsburg becoming the butt of a joke. >> dunkin, name this person. >> i don't know. some old pilgrim. >> and if you read only one thing this morning, something i did not know, al gore's dog is named beau. there are lots of other facts in today's must read about what the former vp and environmentalist is up to these days. it is on our facebook page. there's new neutrogena® naturals acne cleanser. acne medicine from the wintergreen leaf treats breakouts. no parabens or harsh sulfates. for naturally clear skin. [ female announcer ] neutrogena® naturals. and those people are what i like to call...wrong. metamucil has psyllium, which helps lower cholesterol, p
this could help marco rubio if he decides to run. >>> president obama gave the speech over the weekend. >> you have been tested and tempered by events that your parents and i never imagined we would see when we sat where you sit. and yet despite all of this or perhaps because of it yours has become a generation possessed with the most of american ideas. the people who love their country can change it for the better. >> and poor ruth ginsburg becoming the butt of a joke....
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melissa: you don't think the facthat the election was such a disaster and marco rubio is running ads out there, are people supporting him? >> the republican party is two cycles of getting their -- handed to them before they wake up they have to drop the social conservative stuff. only future is people like randpaul and --, no, until they go libertarian the republicans are going to be pushing a peanut up somebody's but the. melissa: we have all the peanuts out. coming up on money, has the tide suddenly turned on jamie dimon? a powerful proxy advisor piles on saying time for dimon to give up his seat as chairman. how will this drama unfold? more "money" straight ahead. ♪ . ♪ . melissa: so the heat is on for jpmorgan's jamie dimon when it comes to the power of money. he has got it all but the tide could be turning against him. with just two weeks to go until the shareholder meeting powerful proxy advisors are urging investors to vote out three board members to split his dual roles as chairman and ceo. yet jpmorgan's stock has performed better under dimon than any other ceo. just tod
melissa: you don't think the facthat the election was such a disaster and marco rubio is running ads out there, are people supporting him? >> the republican party is two cycles of getting their -- handed to them before they wake up they have to drop the social conservative stuff. only future is people like randpaul and --, no, until they go libertarian the republicans are going to be pushing a peanut up somebody's but the. melissa: we have all the peanuts out. coming up on money, has the...
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. >> then we are talking to marco rubio about immigration and congressman dave camp. her work is more than 9-5. dolly parton joins us live from tennessee. you know him as bobby from the sopranos. the actor is here with big daddy's rules for kids. don't miss it. we start 12 minutes from right now. 03, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪ red hot deal days are back. don't waste another minute. it's red hot deal days. get the droid razr m by motorola in white for free. everything droid does in a compact design. or the droid razr hd by motorola in white, with google voice search that understands you the first time. just $49.99. hurry in, sale ends may 12th. powerful devices. powerful network. verizon. >> it's the same procedure it costs $500 in one state over 200 grand in another. new rules might al
. >> then we are talking to marco rubio about immigration and congressman dave camp. her work is more than 9-5. dolly parton joins us live from tennessee. you know him as bobby from the sopranos. the actor is here with big daddy's rules for kids. don't miss it. we start 12 minutes from right now. 03, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your...
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you know what does marco rubio do? he is always complaining to these republicans about human rights. they have nothing to say about these people and the constitution. i also feel if i -- i read your article about rand. he changed his mind. >> bill: eric, i am not a contortionist. you have to be a contortionist to keep up with rand paul's change of positions. >> exactly. these people. who actually could come up with somebody sit nag cafe and a drone strike? >> bill: rand paul, first of all, here is what i liked for the record here, because i am not part of the rand paul fan club but i liked the fact that when it came to a filibuster, he actually was willing to talk and to filibuster. 13 hours. right right? >> yeah >> bill: he did the real thing, number 1. no. 2, he said in that long filibuster, raping questions about use of drones in this country and how we had to beware of that, use of drones killing american citizens but more and more throws here in this country and raising serious questions about what were the polici
you know what does marco rubio do? he is always complaining to these republicans about human rights. they have nothing to say about these people and the constitution. i also feel if i -- i read your article about rand. he changed his mind. >> bill: eric, i am not a contortionist. you have to be a contortionist to keep up with rand paul's change of positions. >> exactly. these people. who actually could come up with somebody sit nag cafe and a drone strike? >> bill: rand paul,...
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senator marco rubio, one of the chief proponents of reform, argues the new bill as well as current law prohibit immigrants from taking such benefits for years. >> for those first ten years, you don't qualify for any federal benefits. then your first five years of a green card, you don't qualify either. for most people, it's at least 13. for many, longer. >> in fact, u.s. law and the new immigration bill say those trying to gain citizenship are prohibited from applying for benefits and if they do, they get sent home. >> if you're a public charge, you don't qualify for renewal of that temporary status that you're getting 'cause the temporary status that people have to apply and qualify for, it's not forever. it's for six years. >> another republican senator says while the law does say that no one can become a public charge, it is not enforced. >> that has been totally ignored. we finally got a response to say that not one single person has been turned down permanently on the fact that they've not been able to show they're going to -- they can take care of themselves. >> senator sessions
senator marco rubio, one of the chief proponents of reform, argues the new bill as well as current law prohibit immigrants from taking such benefits for years. >> for those first ten years, you don't qualify for any federal benefits. then your first five years of a green card, you don't qualify either. for most people, it's at least 13. for many, longer. >> in fact, u.s. law and the new immigration bill say those trying to gain citizenship are prohibited from applying for benefits...
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marco rubio and demint were at one point joined at the hip, but this just keeps coming. remember in the 1990s when charles murray, excuse me, another academic, did essentially a version of the same study, only it was about african-americans. the bell curve, it was sponsored by conservative foundations. it made the case that essentially they tried to downplay it, that blacks would never have the same iqs as white, so had ratifications for affirmative action. so, here's the same history repeating itself, and it's a fascinating battle within the base exemplified by these clowns, if i may use that word. how are they going to do this, how are they going to square the circle? they claim to be welcoming latinos and are literally insulting their intelligence and even unborn children's intelligence, grandchildren that aren't even here yet, already being called mentally inferior. >> exactly. not only can i identify your racial inferiority as a class, but i can tell you it will persist and, therefore, be very expensive. the question, i guess, i have about how this moves forward in
marco rubio and demint were at one point joined at the hip, but this just keeps coming. remember in the 1990s when charles murray, excuse me, another academic, did essentially a version of the same study, only it was about african-americans. the bell curve, it was sponsored by conservative foundations. it made the case that essentially they tried to downplay it, that blacks would never have the same iqs as white, so had ratifications for affirmative action. so, here's the same history repeating...